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This Is Not The Kind Of CBA Progress I'm Thinking Of


Hat tip to RDS’ Renaud Lavoie for these tweets

 

So this is what the NHL owners are looking to get with this next CBA. I realize this is just the opening shot of what could be a gruelling round of negotiations, but this is a tremendous amount of real estate to be asking for.  Also, there’s no freaking way the union takes this.

Let’s take a step by step look at these five points.

  • An 11% reduction of revenue-  forget it.  Just move on, this isn’t going to happen.  This is a huge chunk of pay suggested to be taken away from the players, and this will be counter offered with a much higher number than 46%.  The league’s revenue grew exponentially since the last lockout, and there’s not a chance the union stays near 46%.  Deal-breaker.
  • 10 seasons before becoming a UFA-  Again, not bloody likely.  What would construe a season?  10 games?  25 games?  Half a season?  If player X gets into the league full-time at age 22, they wouldn’t receive unrestricted free agent privileges until age 32?  You know as well as I do, this has no chance of happening.  Deal-breaker.
  • A five year contract limit- This is a reasonable stipulation, at least I believe it is.  The players probably don’t want any part of it, but when you see contracts that all but scream cap circumvention like Ilya Kovalchuk’s, this is a fair deal.  Plus, it will protect the New York Islanders from themselves.  This is a reasonable stipulation.
  • No more salary arbitration- There are not enough letters on my keyboard to explain how funny this stipulation is.  Without some major amending, it also has no chance of the union accepting it.  You’re going to take away a huge piece of bargaining power away from an RFA?  Are you encouraging more offer sheets?  Deal-breaker.
  • A five year entry level contract instead of three- again, not a good chance of this happening either.  While I’d love to see Eberle and Hall play for less than their market worth for three more years, there’s absolutely no chance the union goes for this.  You’re basically taking a guy’s honey pot and moving it two years away from him.  No chance.

If you’re using a weather forecast to gauge my hope for an on-time 2012-13 season just took a shot in the gut from “partly sunny” to “overcast”.

Where do we go from here?  We wait to see what the NHLPA strikes back with.  I have a feeling it will be somewhat different from what Renaud Lavoie has for us.

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  • nyifancentral

    How does a contract not-front loaded where DiPietro takes the risk making 4.5m every year means the Isles are the example for a team needing to be saved from itself? Not like they paid him 12m a year to be hurt.

    • OilOnWhyte

      @nyifancentral The Islanders are an example not because DiPietro’s deal is front-loaded (it’s not), they’re a prime candidate for giving DiPietro a fifteen year deal in the first place.

  • nyifancentral

    DiPietro’s deal is fifteen years because he makes a much smaller amount each year. First overall picks sometimes get seven or eight million a year, plus DiPietro signed that contract at a time the NHL had players making nine million a year in straight deals. He got more years in exchange for less money where he takes the risk to play or not get paid. If he retires insurance pays and cap hit is gone. Nothing saves Flyers from Bryzgalov or Canucks from Luongo’s front-loaded money by contrast.

    • OilOnWhyte

       @nyifancentral Knowing what we know now, six years into the deal, you can’t possibly insinuate that DiPietro’s deal is remotely good. If you were Rick DiPietro, why would you retire?  

      Also: Alexei Yashin, who still counts $2.203M against the cap for the next two years. DiPietro and Yashin are two explosively awful contracts.

  • nyifancentral

    The point is the New York Islanders did not create a contract with DiPietro where they have to be saved from themselves because it’s not massively front-loaaded. If DiPietro was making 67m dollars and made fifty of that since he first got hurt that would be a problem. DiPietro’s contract was structured like and modeled after Brodeur’s.

    • OilOnWhyte

       @nyifancentral 
       
      “The players probably don’t want any part of it, but when you see contracts that all but scream cap circumvention like Ilya Kovalchuk’s, this is a fair deal.  Plus, it will protect the New York Islanders from themselves”
       
      These two sentences are two completely different thoughts.  1)  Teams like NJD offering Kovalchuk a massive front-loaded contract, and 2) Teams like NYI who thought it a good idea to give Rick DiPietro a fifteen year deal.  Both are bad ideas.  Limiting contracts to 5 year max would keep the Islanders from offering Rick DiPietro (or Alexei Yashin, or anyone else) a seven, eleven, or fifteen year deal, whether front-loaded or not.

  • nyifancentral

    What’s a good idea in a league where Shawn Horcoff got a six year contract with the Oilers? It’s not like the current players are going to accept anything less than what their counterparts are getting.

    • OilOnWhyte

      @nyifancentral I’d wager that you won’t see any more fifteen year deals handed out. And, you never answered why DiPietro would ever consider retiring.

      • nyifancentral

         @OilOnWhyteIn a league were two players just got thirteen year contracts that paid them 98 million dollars. I would wager that we cannot wager on anything. As for DiPietro as long as the doctors inform him and the club his knee is structurally sound he has no reason to retire which has not been an issue the last two years. His hernia was something different but the last two years it’s been something different.

        • OilOnWhyte

           @nyifancentral I’m going to go ahead and assume for the sake of a negotiation that there’s going to be some pretty big compromises from both sides.  Both sides will give.  When this mess boils down, I’ll bet you a beer that there’ll be a contract limit.  
           
          As far as Rick DiPietro’s knee being “structurally sound”, it appears from multiple team outlets (including the Islanders official Twitter) that DiPietro’s knee has at least in part kept him from playing as recently as January, 2012.
           
          http://www.islanderspointblank.com/2012/01/rick-dipietro-done-for-the-year-againwill-undergo-surgery-tuesday/
           
          http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/14/rick-dipietros-knee-is-a-big-problem-as-well/
           
          Debate it all you’d like, the bottom line is that his knee is keeping him from playing.  
           
          If I can agree that the Khabibulin deal for the Oilers is an affront to humanity, why can’t you admit that the DiPietro contract isn’t at least the same?

        • nyifancentral

           @OilOnWhyte DiPietro has had minor knee swelling, never go by the angry former media relations coordinator’s site for information. DiPietro started over twenty games in 2010-11, he also backed up for another thirty games so in effect what shut him down was his hip for a short time and later Brent Johnson’s elbow pad to his eye. As for the contract DiPietro is a first overall pick who was an all-star and signed in his prime. at a time he had franchise potential, he did not take an over 35 contract like Khabibulin.

        • OilOnWhyte

           @nyifancentral What about Joe Yerdon’s report?  It specifically states that he was shut down due to a hernia and a knee.  
           
          You state that he started ‘over 20 games’ in 2010-11.  
          He posted a .886 SV% that year. This isn’t even league average.  
           
          DiPietro got his mega-deal in September of 2006, just after finishing with a .900 SV% in 05-06.  .900 isn’t a good number.   It wasn’t even top 25 among eligible goaltenders in 05-06.  
           
          http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20062ALLGAGALL&viewName=summary&sort=savePercentage&pg=2
           
          Also:  The Khabibulin deal is garbage, it’s true.  The difference?  Thankfully, Khabibulin’s deal doesn’t last an excruciating nine more years.  
           
          How long until Anders Nilsson makes the roster?
           

        • nyifancentral

           @OilOnWhyte Joe Yerdon’s prohockeytalk is 99 percent passed on information via sourced based reporting from other sites because it has no money to employ team writers. DiPietro in 2010-11 was a five hundred goalie for most of the season on a club that was thirteen games under five hundred at one point who was also 3-2-3 last season. In 2005-06 the Islanders used close to fifty players, his second half save percentage on that team was 919. Nilsson, Poulin or Koskinen do not make the roster until Nabokov leaves or DiPietro does. Either way DiPietro’s 4.5m contract per year is not hurting them because the goaltenders who have replaced him have usually played well.

        • OilOnWhyte

           @nyifancentral Even looking at it through your rose coloured lenses, DiPietro’s 4.5M contract is hurting them, because they could spend 4.5M on something that isn’t Rick DiPietro.  Like another solid defenceman, or a replacement for PA Parenteau.  

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